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  • Just because I don't have enough edits doesn't mean what I am saying isn't true. We are a community that should allow everyone to have a say, not a community that silences those who haven't contributed enough.

    Ganging up on one person because of minor flaws that aren't nessciarily him but the community as a whole fault. With that rule you are acting no better than the one who is supposedly making them to keep opposition down.

    As a fellow Admin and Content Mod (Superpower Wikia) this is pretty unfair Kakarots and you know it as well as anyone else. Every voice counts wether they are active contributing or just passing through.

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    • Not every voice is equal I'm afraid. Your account literally joined the wiki today and you're already involved yourself in an important wiki matter that only admins, moderators and dedicated contributors have been involved in so far? That's a bit unusual.

      You say "We are a community..." but you've only just joined the community today.

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    • Major issues amongest wiki administration and editors should be between them only, we are the ones that have to deal with each other everyday. On the other hand you are not an editor here meaning you are not the one whose facing these problems.

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    • To be fair that is true, but I have been around for awhile now just lurking. And we are a community sense our wikia's share a lot of users between us. Also, just because I only joined today doesn't mean that I blind to what is happening.

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    • Once I made 100+ edits in one day, if you want to input your opinion so badly then maybe you should try it.

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    • But I am an admin on a wikia where a lot of your users go to from time to time. So I will get the baggae and drama if and when it flows over or takes another form (i.e. anytime VS battle gives characters the wrong powers or anything involving Saitama). Plus I am only trying to give advice as a fellow admin not as an contributor. But I will relent because it is a bit intrusive for me to stick my digital nose into your affairs. I humbly apologize for that, but please do take my words into consideration when making your decision. Thank you

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    • Hmm that seems reasonable enough

      That settles it

      I will make 200 edits in a fortnite

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    • Young Mako
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      Me and Imouto-tan hashed it out on discord.
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    • For what it is worth, we have already collectively made a decision. It's up to Drake to respond to it now and choose which way this goes.

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    • That one line that mentions you was towards you everything else was just there. Sorry if it came off as an personal attack towards you and your position, but I assure you that it wasn't a bash towards you.

      "Fandom is about a community hanging out doing cool things not a community that works-works-works themselves to death. If anything editors and plain old fans should come together at a middle ground DES being that we are a fandom and a popular one at that."

      Then again that doesn't even look close to a dis towards you but again I do apologize for hurting your feelings.

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    • You know, I'm willing to let Imouto join the discussion. Even if they don't have the necessary status, they are still involved in this.

      As long as no disrespectful comments are used, of course.

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    • I may be mistaken but how are they involved exactly? They aren't a member of the MHA Wiki Discord, or a member of the MHA Wiki until just today. I don't have a problem with them contributing exactly but I don't see how they're involved.

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    • I think I've seen Imouto in the Discord.

      Again, I only use it occasionally. I could be misremembering.

      In any case, I do not see why we can't hear what they have to say. After all, if they're not part of the Wiki (or the Discord), then it's not like they have any stakes on the matter.

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    • Everyone who is currently in the Discord is free to participate in the forum otherwise you guys are basically undermining your position in this. I can vouche Imoutu is in the server, she just has a different username like myself.  Editing has nothing to do with the server so don't even try to use that as a means to make things go a certain way.  " we have already collectively made a decision" Last time I checked there were more people on the server than 4-6 people and other users disagree with you as well as neutral.

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    • The decision we made was to present you a choice:

      1) Share control of the server to all other Admins and Moderators, and tone down on the liberal usage of the 'drama' rule. Or...

      2) Remove the Server from being associated with the Wiki and step down as an Admin.

      This is not just a Discord server issue. This is a Wiki issue in you being able to listen to your peers.

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    • Honestly the first one seems like it would be the better of the two choices seeing as it shows the most maturity of th two. Nothing speaks more about a person's character than their actions and choices.

      It might not seem satisfying to you now, but it would go a long way in the eyes of those around you Drake.

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    • The first one is definitely the most preferable to all of us who have raised complaints.

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    • Having the admins as the heroes would set up a sort of checks and balances system in the Discord.

      The Drama rule show be toned down a bit and only include things that prevent the Discord's staff from doing their jobs and things that would cause choas & havoc on the Discord between users.

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    • I don't really know exactly what's going on but, i think that if a person has a valid opinion about what we should do in the wiki, we shouldn't downgrade it just because "he isn't part of the community".

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    • Well it does seem like Drake is allowing none wiki members to comment because he wants his friends to come to his aid (ASL Pirates, Speedit, and Imouto).

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    • And who would you, with 4 edits may you be Morow Hisoka? Just because people aren't agreeing with your friends doesn't give you the right to downplay the opinions of other users. If you actually bothered to check the contributions page you'd see Speedit has over 200 edits. Speculation is not going to get you anywhere my friend. I

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    • Well I asked Hisoka to comment since you insisted on anyone on the discord is allowed, and dont act like you didnt ask those guys as well.

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    • Well I wasn't asked to comment anywhere ^_^;

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    • And it looks like Tommy joined in.hmmmm.....didnt expect that sarcasm

      Whose next, Teara.

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    • Well instead of complaining Kakarots we should be trying to get to a comprise or something. How you are acting now is not going to help anything improve or go in either direction.

      TL;DR if we all act petty about whose friends are helping who, then nothing will get done.

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    • Btw Imouto you can re-add your comment if you want.

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    • Okie dokie I will

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    • After talking with Des about the miscommunication with my comment the same conclusion was reached (making my posting of it pointless now): the change only be reached with all of the admins being active on the Discord so that there can be some form of checks and balances within it. I believe that chat mods should also be given the roles of Sidekicks which essentially works the same as the wikia's chat mods.

      The wikia is made for the various fans of the fandom to come together and enjoy what they like as one community. Sure you guys can make articles and blogs about why you think that All-for-One is Deku's father or how All Might and Endeavor are secretly the best OTP, but at the end of the day Fandom is about a community hanging out doing cool things with one another and the Discord is no different. TL;DR the Discord is both its own entity and a part of the wikia.

      In regards to the current sidekicks, they are just that -- Sidekicks to the Heroes. They have no real authority on the actual wikia so bringing up that they are mostly friends and not editors is pointless.

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    • It's fine that the the server is its own thing... Nobody is complaining about that bit.

      But if the server is going to be aiffiliated with the wiki then it is the wiki admins and moderators who should all have joint control over it.

      If this change is too much for Drake to accept then they don't have any business being an admin or having the server affiliated with the wiki.

      > Well instead of complaining Kakarots we should be trying to get to a comprise or something. How you are acting now is not going to help anything improve or go in either direction.

      We have already offered a compromise.

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    • Damage, "your compromise" is something you and 4 editors came up with, not the decision of the community as a whole. It has been brought up in the forum numerous times that content moderators are not entitled to mod rights on the server, nor have you shown any qualtiies of deserving so especially with your contributions and that tone of yours. Accept it. Discord aside, I still edit the wiki, block vandals, and maintain the Discussions page. The only compromise that I have and will offer is that Desboy and any other wiki admin who promises to be active on the server itself will get the Hero role. Desboy himself already agreed to this. The other two on the server have yet to respond.

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    • Would it make any difference if I told you that this compromise was sanctioned by Besty, GamerTime and Des? This is the fair choice we offered you, and you're choosing to be demoted and have the server be unaffiliated with the wiki.

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    • Roranoa Drake II wrote: Damage, "your compromise" is something you and 4 editors came up with, not the decision of the community as a whole. It has been brought up in the forum numerous times that content moderators are not entitled to mod rights on the server, nor have you shown any qualtiies of deserving so especially with your contributions and that tone of yours. Accept it. Discord aside, I still edit the wiki, block vandals, and maintain the Discussions page. The only compromise that I have and will offer is that Desboy and any other wiki admin who promises to be active on the server itself will get the Hero role. Desboy himself already agreed to this. The other two on the server have yet to respond.

      You've solved one problem. There's still all the content mods, and Pux. You aren't solving this issue making individual deals. Any offers should be made as a whole to everyone involed.

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    • Damage, I have spoken with both, except with Gamer, no one has said such thing. Please allow the actual wiki admins to speak for themselves instead of "speaking on their behalf"

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    • Sorry but why do the content mods "and Pux" need any "deals"?

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    • I'm not speaking on their behalf, I'm just letting you know that it's not just some random editors that is making this offer.

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    • Besty, what you just said is literally making individual deals.

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    • What "offer"? I don't see any discussion about an "offer" on the discussion page. No "offers" hold any water until they are discussed and approved publicly by as many community members as who wish to be involved. You can't make some backroom deal and then expect it to be approved and affect people who weren't involved.

      No one has yet answered my query as to why content mods "and Pux" need any "deal", which I can only assume includes server role(s). It screams entitlement. If you are really so concerned about parity in Wiki user rights and server roles, then why aren't you asking that server admins and mods be made into wiki admins and mods? As I have already said on the discussion page, this isn't a one way street. Don't treat it as one. And keep discussions transparent and fair for everyone.

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    • Call of Duty, the offer literally in the first post:

      If Roranoa Drake II's Discord server is to be affiliated with this wiki, then: (a) all wiki bureaucrats and administrators should have equivalent administrative privileges on that Discord server (and all wiki content moderators should have equivalent moderation privileges on that Discord server); and (b) discussions pertaining to policy should be exempted from the "no drama" rule, especially when conducted in the #productive_work channel. The same applies to other spin-off accounts, such as the "wiki" Twitter account (@BokuNoHeroWikia). Otherwise, this wiki should sever ties with Roranoa Drake II's Discord server, and if they plan to retaliate, their wiki privileges should be revoked

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    • https://imgur.com/a/xm5eiXT I'm going to keep repeating this like the others until it sticks. Content moderators are not entitled to any form of moderation rights on the chat room. There's a reason Fandom has made that distinction for that. Instead of making threats and demands try to be mture and promise to be a positive contributor to the server then perhaps maybe then you'd get sidekick one day.

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    • That's interesting because there's nothing about Puxlit in that. Also, that doesn't answer the question. Why do you need the server roles? There has been a general avoidance of this question, other than Puxlit's insinuation that somehow there will be better server-wiki coordination that will come with the roles, even though that has nothing to do with server roles and everything to do with general communication skills and willingness to work with other people.

      Also, there is yet to be a strong consensus in favour of supporting "the deal". You can't hold a discussion for less than a day and then start pressing an administrator for server roles lest they receive a demotion. That amounts to a "hostile takeover" of a server in which none of the admins, content mods or Puxlit barely even speak in, in the first place. What integrity is there in this process? What is being achieved? Why do you, personally, need to be a server mod? These are all important questions which no one is really answering. What's the point of all of this?

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    • My primary stake in the matter is that I'd like to see discussions in #productive_work be exempted from the "no drama" rule. Whilst I absolutely agree that ad hominems should not be thrown around, it should be evident in the transcripts I've provided that, in both cases, I did not steer the conversation into vitriolic territory. My takeaway from both incidents is that Rora abuses the "no drama" rule to silence criticism of their edits or policy actions, under the guise of maintaining a facade of unity.

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    • Beyond that, I'd like to see better server–wiki coordination.

      Whilst the Discord staff have criticised some of the folks in #productive_work for not being active enough in other areas, or for actively voicing their ideas to Discord staff, this argument cuts both ways, as one could equally argue that the Discord staff should be proactive in addressing the needs of their users, including the wiki editors.

      There is no server suggestions channel, as there is on some other Discord servers. For the time I've been there, no Discord staff have reached out to us and asked if there were things we could suggest to make the server more useful for us. Whilst I understand that the majority of the server's patronage are regular fans, and that's to whom the staff spend most of their time catering, this is why it seems to me that the editors have been relegated to the sidelines. I personally don't care about roles. But I would find it useful if we had a means to look Discord users up by their wiki names, so we can ping them about edits. Or a dedicated channel for regular editors to log vandalism, so those users get warned and don't fall through the cracks.

      And if it takes wiki admins becoming Discord staff to ensure our suggestions get a voice, then that'd also be what I'm arguing for.

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